A new keeper's guide to the Pogona Rankini / Henrylawsoni Dragon

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 Post subject: Rocky and Curly
PostPosted: Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:15 pm 
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Pet Dragon Info:
Rocky 1yr old male Rankin
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Curly 5 mth old Unknown sex Rankin
http://img13.imageshack.us/i/rockyo.png/
http://img7.imageshack.us/i/rocky2b.png/
http://img269.imageshack.us/i/rockyancurly.png/
http://img340.imageshack.us/i/rockyancurly2.jpg/
http://img638.imageshack.us/i/curlyw.png/


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 Post subject: Re: Rocky and Curly
PostPosted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:41 pm 
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Rankins: Mitzi (F).
Beardies: Luca (M), Mocha (M)
Blue Tongue Skinks: Teal (F), Cinnamon (?)
Giant Mexican Horned Lizards: Linus (M), Louis (M)
Uromastyx: Brian (M), Chloe (F), Kora (F), Kami (M), Melody (F), Murray (M), Omar (M)
Hi,

Based on what I've seen here both animals appear to be Bearded Dragons.

What concerns me is the size difference. Keep a very close eye on these two and start taking regular weight checks on the smaller animal. If it does not gain weight in the next 2 weeks, or shows signs of weight loss, you are likely going to have to separate them.

In situations like this the larger animal will assume the 'alpha' role and begin to exert dominance. Dominance is not always a simple as fighting. It can be way more subtle, such as body posture. The end result is that the smaller animal is intimidate away from the food source and stops eating. Eventually it becomes frail and weak from being malnourished. This often results in death.

The curling of the tail could be the result of genetics. Sometimes this can be bought about by Metabolic Bone Disease. What kind of UVB lighting do you have? How old is the bulb? How far away from the cage floor is the bulb?

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 Post subject: Re: Rocky and Curly
PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:33 pm 
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Rocky 1yr old male Rankin
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Curly 5 mth old Unknown sex Rankin
Hi Mark,
Thanks for your reply.
They seem to be getting on like a house on fire, I have been keeping a very close eye on them and all looks good. Many times I have found Curly laid across Rocky's back and there's plenty of head bobbing between them.
When it comes to feeding them I have their crickets in a seperate tank so I put them in there one at a time so they both get their fair share. Also Rocky has never been interested in his veg and I have to remove the dried up veg every day but Curly is loving it so I think he/she has settled in well.
I have a UVB at either end of the viv (standard placement in the exoterra viv) which is 2ft deep.
They also have a basking lamp situated on top of the viv.
As pictured below they have a branch to climb and bask on, this branch allows them to get within about 6 inches of the UVB and 9 inches from their basking lamp.
http://img825.imageshack.us/i/rockyandcurly3.jpg/
http://img828.imageshack.us/i/rockyandcurly4.jpg/
Both lamps were replaced on Wed last week in preperation for Curly to be introduced on Fri.
Should I be concerned about Curlys tail?? He/She doesn't seem to be affected by it in any way (climbing/running/feeding).
If you have any more questions, suggestions or if I am doing anything wrong please let me know, I only want the best for my dragons.
Thanks again
Alan


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 Post subject: Re: Rocky and Curly
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:06 am 
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TLB, just out of interest what has drawn you to think that they are beardies?

I notice on http://img638.imageshack.us/i/curlyw.png/ it has quite a "hanging" neck (aka beard) as apose to the rankins ive seen (all be it not many!) and notice from the rankins ive seen the spikes (in certain places) look slightly different other than that I see not other apparent differences (thats if i am right which im probably not) just wondering what actually alerted you to think they are beardies?

I have come to understand a general rule upon inspecting one that the head is generally more round and flat bottomed and rather than a > (pointy) shaped jaw is more ) (curvery) for a rankins is this true?


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 Post subject: Re: Rocky and Curly
PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:05 pm 
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Blue Tongue Skinks: Teal (F), Cinnamon (?)
Giant Mexican Horned Lizards: Linus (M), Louis (M)
Uromastyx: Brian (M), Chloe (F), Kora (F), Kami (M), Melody (F), Murray (M), Omar (M)
Hi,

There are certain characteristics that differentiate a Beardies from a Rankins:

1. Head shape - A Bearded Dragon will have a triangular shaped head, whereas a Rankins will appear more rounded. A Beardie will also have pronounced fat pads on top of it's head (around the eyes) with a row of spikes like the picture below. It looks like an extra 'plate' on top of the head:

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A Rankins, when viewed from the same angle, will only have one row of spikes, at the very back of the head, like this one.

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2. Black epaulets. If you look at the space between a Bearded Dragon's front 'shoulder' and it's head you will see a black dot (known as an epaulet). If you look at the same spot on a Rankins (see picture below) you will not see this dot

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Now compare that with a Beardie:

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This red phase dragon shows the epaulet quite clearly, just behind the left ear.

3. Pronounced 'spikes' along the midline. A Rankins has relatively small spikes along the side of its belly. On a Beardie these are much more pronounced (compare the photo of the red phase dragon with the Rankins above it to see the difference in length of the spikes).

Hope this helps.

Best regards,
Mark



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 Post subject: Re: Rocky and Curly
PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:54 pm 
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I see thanks for that :P

When I went to have a look in the shop to reserve mine apart from the price difference straight away i noticed the head was slightly different but im not 100% sure shal have to get some piccies when everything arrives :)


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